Standard Gauge Freight Wagons Identification

[GAZKGK]

It's true that there are some differences... also the roof of the Greek one has one more angle on each side.

A few years ago, I had heard that the OSE ones were actually based on these...

[BarbaPanagos]

I don't know if one could identify those wagons, a great shot that I think you should be aware of.

according the description: Alexandroupolis Port Customs 1930
found here: https://www.facebook.com/91753141499699 ... =3&theater

[GAZKGK]

The three closed vans on the left are 1926 Z/Zτ Ringhoffers.

[apapap]

Can someone give me info for these two wagons in Drama?

Μπ116251

Iπ110218

[BarbaPanagos]

that Μπ116251 I can't find it at my (actually Nondas') list! does it read N1?

the second one according to the numbering 80 54 890 0 129-9, seems to be a CZ wagon (54: Check Republic) or is it an older Czechoslovakian wagon?
the two first digits, 80 Freight: domestic only (non RIV), 4+ axles, service
so it could have been some contractor operated wagon.

any suggestions?

[christo]

Concerning Μπ, it is actually a Belgian open built by Baume Marpent

Numbering is:
Μπτ 16801 - 16830 Athens area
Μπτ 16831 - 16875 Thessaloniki area

Later these were reclassified as N1.

Concerning the Iπ, it is a wagon left behind by the German occupying forces during the second world war.

Have a look here http://hellas-express.eu/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=13

christo.

[GAZKGK]

Christo, as its number says, it is not one of the Belgian low-sided opens (5-digit numbers Μπτ 16801-16875 or later 317 0 ...), but another example of the wagons left behind by the occupying forces after WW II, with 6-digit numbers 116xxx, some of which were also classified as "N1".

That specific one is not 116251 but 116231, of the German type A4 Rüngenwagen. SEK-OSE had a significant number of wagons of that type, scattered within the 116xxx range of low-sided ones left behind after WW II.

All Czech flatbeds, ballast hoppers, passenger coaches, locomotives and tampers, as well as the Praga V3s truck visible on that flatbed in the photos, belonged to a contractor. Some of them are still at Strymonas, Lefkothea, Xanthi...

[christo]

Sorry Jason,

You are absolutely right. I am getting too old for this game. But did I say that before? Sorry, can't remember.

christo .

[apapap]

What about this wagon Iπ110218?

[BarbaPanagos]

this one seems to be a German leftover classified as I1 and latter as Elo
I didn't know one of them existed in original brown paint and numbering, thanks apapap

according to Nonda's list, old numbering was Ιπ 110529-114313 but existing almost 4000 of them looks a bit strange...
and this one has a numbering out of the range...
also according the same list, only 20 of them received a new UIC numbering 511 0 000-019

let's wait for Jason to get some more info.