OSE N9 ex-USATC Rmmp 'Warflat' flatbeds

[GAZKGK]

387 0 500-6 is at Amindeo

387 0 511-3 is at Strimonas

[christo]

Photo Balkanmodels: Spring 2000. A pair of N9s, amonst other wagons and carriages, by the Carriage Shed Thessaloniki.

christo.

[BarbaPanagos]

so many good looking coaches that have disappeared during the last decade!

back to the topic, as I can see we don't have the data displayed till now... so...
There were introduced 50 wagons, built in 1944 by UNRRA (USA). Initially coded as Νφπ and numbered 217501-550, later became Rmmp and received a UIC numbering 30 73 387 0 500-549

30 73 387 0 527-9 at Lianokladi, with some derelict coach boggies that I'm too lazy to identify

[GAZKGK]

Once more... the things are more complicated than they seem...

But yes, 387 0 500-549 are the ones which were initially numbered Νφπ 217501-550. These were built between 1942-1945 in USA but of course not by UNRRA. U.N.R.R.A. stands for "United Nations Relief & Rehabilitation Administration" and was not a manufacturer. However, it is possible that the wagons were built for UNRRA, and were not actually used by others (e.g. USATC) before coming to Greece. Their builders were surely one or more of: "ACC", "P-SCM Co" and "GATC", but unfortunately i have not verified that via the builders - numbering plates.

In the late 1960s (the UIC numbering system was already being used) SEK started picking a number of 4-axled flat wagons to convert for carrying tanks for the Army. These were all the 217501-217550, plus some other USA flatbeds, and some left-by-the-Germans flatbeds, and later in 1970 (before the convertion) started being mixed in a new formed, transitional series of N9 (for the 2175xx) and N12. The number of the first one was 31 73 387 0 000 and as more wagons were picked, they were added to the series, which finally must had ended with 31 73 387 0 078, but i am not 100% sure.

In the next years, 1972 and 1973 the conversions started. The underframes were reinforced with additional tough truss rods (that is the reason why the USA plates are not visible nowadays and the builders can not be verified), and were also widened, so they could carry tanks of the types M48, M47, M44 and M52A1. The converted cars, formed the new series, in this case N9 30 73 387 0 500-549.

[BarbaPanagos]

thanks Jason,
I suspected that was something wrong with the UNRRA, but I used it as it is found at Nonda's list and I guess that's how they are refereed at the OSE documents...

I have a question: the ''boxes'' hanging under the frame indicate that they serve to store the ΟΡΘΟΣΤΑΤΕΣ (Stakes)
I know that the original wagons had stakes, though after the conversion and widening of them it seems that the stakes weren't used any more
Is that right?


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[BalkanExpress]

From the news catalogue (i took pictures quickly and there're not in good quality; I'll repeat them)

Nice models, but expensive set, due to the military load

[Olympus]

Hello to all

This H0 photos are from the old page from http://www.traingallery.gr
Please has a member information to the letterings, made this a private Person or was this direct Train Gallery?

best regards Andy

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[BarbaPanagos]

I think these wagon were made by Thema.
if you are in need of some lettering contact Tasos (ANAROUS), he has already designed them and I think will be available soon

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[Olympus]

Panagiotis, Thank you for the Information !

[christo]

I have deleted the two photos that Andy posted from traingallery three posts previous. The reason is the following email I received:

Dear sirs.

I noticed that on page 3 of the Greek Standard Gauge Freight, Wagons: OSE N9 ex-Usatc Rmmp Warflatbeds of your forum, there are two photos with a GREEK M113 and a truck Steyer upward to platform.

Because these military models and photos are my own and do not appear in these my name please remove them directly from the page.

I like to inform you that these were posted on the old site http://www.traingallery.gr without my permission. That's why I have initiated all the appropriate legal proceedings against the administrator of that site (http://www.traingallery.gr).

Thank you for your understanding.

Sincerely,
Antonio Varelas


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