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best regards Andy

Good morning Andy ...

As far as i know those luggage vans are not Italian, but ex- German cars, left in Greece after W.W. II. What makes you believe that they are Italian? Do we have any ''proofs''?

The following is just my theory:

SEK converted the Ητ livestock carrying wagons 8601-8612 (Athens Region) and 8613-8650 (Salonica Region) made by Ringhoffer in Czechoslovakia in 1926/7 into excursion carriages, sometime before WWII. These Ητ wagons were the only ones with 6.5m distance between the axles in the Greek stock list of the time. Also they had a characteristic V strengthening support on the underframe. The leaf springs were obviously replaced to passenger type instead of goods wagon type. See below:


Photo off the Internet possibly from the SFS site.


Photo Stefanos Vardaris

Either some were converted to Brake Vans at that type or that happened much later from converting the Excursion carriages to Brake Vans. See below:



Both photos off the Internet possibly from the SFS site.

christo.

Hello Christo, documents & photos will ''talk'' and unfortunately disagree with you, but a bit later.

I had some discussion with Jason about this one some time ago.
let's wait to give us the details

the one that Cristo has posted is the 50 73 93-20 557-4, withdrawn now at Agios Ioannis

the one that Cristo has posted

Who is he?

christo.

isn't that you?


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I have many names but cristo is not one of them. Try christo.

The fat controller.

ΤΟ ΟΧΗΜΑ ΤΗΣ ΠΡΩΤΗΣ ΦΩΤΟΓΡΑΦΙΑΣ ΧΡΗΣΤΟ ΠΡΟΕΡΧΕΤΑΙ ΑΠΟ ΤΟΝ Σ.Σ.ΕΔΕΣΣΑΣ ΚΑΙ ΤΟ ΒΑΓΟΝΙ ΑΥΤΟ ΒΡΙΣΚΕΤΑΙ ΕΚΕΙ ΠΑΝΩ ΑΠΟ ΤΡΙΑΝΤΑ ΧΡΟΝΙΑ ΚΑΙ ΧΡΗΣΙΜΟΠΟΙΗΘΗΚΕ ΓΙΑ ΕΝΑ ΜΕΓΑΛΟ ΧΡΟΝΙΚΟ ΔΙΑΣΤΗΜΑ ΣΑΝ ΚΑΤΑΛΥΜΑ - ΞΕΝΩΝΑΣ ΑΠΟ ΤΟΥΣ ΕΡΓΑΤΕΣ ΣΥΝΤΗΡΗΣΗΣ ΤΟΥ ΤΜΗΜΑΤΟΣ ΓΡΑΜΜΗΣ ΑΓΡΑ - ΕΔΕΣΣΑΣ - ΣΚΥΔΡΑΣ ΜΕ ΕΔΡΑ ΤΟΝ Σ.Σ.ΕΔΕΣΣΑΣ

Translation: The vehicle in the first photo comes from the Edessa Station. It has remained there for over 30 years and was used to a great extend as sleeping/living quarters by the work force working on line renovation duties of the line Agras-Edessa-Skydra which had its headquarters in Edessa.